YTB Problems

Look, YTB has faced similar challenges before.

Nobody should panic. YTB and its management team will take care of everything.

I left YBT several years ago and I no longer wish or desire to receive any type of correspondence from your company. Can you please stop sending me emails

I am so glad they are being sued. After all my hard work, I was sent a check for $3.00. That was it for me.

this is good info on ytb

3.00 i don't think so , anyway I am having a very tough time with CET , i have 2 big ministries wanting more info re ytb, can anyone assist me?? one is in Pasendena, the other in SanFranciso
ty pam
ps they TRAVEL ALOT

Loved the network marketing info! I believe in YTB! It is a terrific company! Everyone just needs to understand that this business is a wonderful opportunity to grow and enrich ours lives! Here's to YTB's continued greater success! You work, YTB works, that's all there is to it!

I have been approached by numerous friends, family and neighbors to join this organization. Since I have a criminal background, the first thing I did was do my research.

Sorry to say, this is a PYRAMID, PONZI scheme or whatever else you want to call it. With so many companies pulling out, SEC complaints and Atty General investigations, you may want to split as well.

Good luck to all!

in downtown YYZ collecting a fee and people are signing up in droves from the Canadian-African community primarily..someone from this co that has been jilted should really counter their meeting on a weekly basis..

sorry to repeat the weekly meetings in YYZ are held in the police headquarter building where they rent a room and then conduct their meeting nothing illegal at all except the promises made will not be kept according to all the comments posted and articles in the papers across the country and a lot of innocent folks are being duped ….

YTB is not going anywhere they will survive!!!

I was very sadded to get in my email the letter of resignation of Directors Ron & Phyllis Bush/Charlotte,N.C..On that email was the copy of the registered mail sent to ytb hq , mailed 3-19-09. I knew what was coming before I opened the email – I had befriended them on a social network. Do they need a backlash ? Certainly not – the letter even said to please get the word out , and the mail was very nice and said no derogatory things about this company .
I am VERY thankful that I found out the financial shape of the company , because I could not face God every day if I had continued to market a business that is apparently very rocky.
No harm is meant by any of this . I have some very lucrative offers I have been looking at in the travel industry.
I just wonder why 52 million dollars was given out in salaries at the hq… That is my only question…
I simply csn not remain ''sold " on this business anymore and look people in the eye, invite them to meetings, or send out dvd's knowing that I will compromise great friendships, and cultivated new ones at the expense of me "making some money"..
I really PRAY that people keep their honesty and intergrity if they decide to stay with with their downline and remember people have a tendency to remember the bad before they remember the good, so if you are going to recuit people- at least be honest ok? Keeping your website up only for people to book on , might be a better idea than not knowing what is going to take place the next quarter of the year, 6 months , and still going to bed with peace– or doing things your way and having no sense of responsibity..
Blessings to all ,
i cant stay no way

I think it is sad to see this happen to YTB. I think if business practices had been changed sometime ago this wouldn't be happening. At any rate I chose to position myself in a new travel business. I have to say I wish I would have done this years ago. One thing I have learned is that not all Travel businesses are created equal. After getting involved somewhere else I almost feel like I was cheated lol.

I now can offer better pricing, so I don't have to worry about those times when another travel agency offered a better price. I have seen many people from YTB switch like I did. It's safe to say we are very happy.

I am not here to do anything more than put out the information for you to choose what you need to do. If you like YTB and whats going on, STAY THERE! But if you are looking for a way out and to save your travel business, I can help you. I am working under the number 1 and 2 income earners. It's a wonderful place to be and you could be there with me.

What will you do if YTB goes under and you can no longer book travel? That is something you and only you can answer. If you are like many of the rest of us, you will save your business now while I can get you moved at a special price. This offer won't last forever. I am only looking for those who want to leave anyway. Once again if you are happy where you are at,STAY!

This guy that is so sorry to see what is happening to YTB, is not for real he is trying to play on you being scared this is not the original letter written by the Bushes think before you leap.

He is in W V and was in YTB some of the names of the directors he says he knows did not quit but were terminated. I have spoken to him RUN!

There are a lot of people in the world why prey on people when they are down YTB will be around.
We are in trouble Due to the same practices he is using now I say good bye to bad network marketers.

allen g , where do you get your lies from????? it is people like you that would be willing to hold up a bank for the sake of managements WASTEFUL SPENDING , stop passing the buck to 'bad network marketers'. You didnt get their letter , so youd better stop , I can pick up the phone and let them read what you wrote . SLANDER is a court allowed suit!
They resigned – were not fired , people LIKE YOU are SOOOO blind to what the top four are NOT doing to save this company!

Not sure who the Allen G guy is but it sounds like he is miss informed big time .

Why so serious? Slander I never mention any names law suite oh my!!

I thought this was a YTB blog Looking for the Ultimate Home Based Travel Business?

Not a place for X. YTB people to recruit, to another company. By the way where can I go to see your financial statements.

I have to go I'm signing two people up tonight.

With YTB's current situation I don't think it will matter much what you do on here before long.

You are recruter man, take a look at the spin Dave puts out his site. I find this type of recruting to be wrong!!! Easy way to build if everyone said yes to your opportunity it would no be a opportunity. easy come easy go I wonder if this is the type of behavior IATAN is speaking of???

You never mention good things and anyone that looks at YTB a little closer will surly find a lot of reason to stay. One big one is Mail Pound.

Dave's Newsletter just click on his name join him.

"ACT NOW, Join The # 1 Income Earners Team And Receive Key Positioning , Plus Personal Mentorship.

IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY AN ACTIVE RTA, I'LL COVER YOUR INITIAL ENROLLMENT AND THAT OF YOUR DOWNLINE…… OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE OFFER ON MY PART. BECAUSE OF THIS, I'VE BUDGETED A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT TO COVER THIS LIMITED TIME OFFER. CONSIDER THIS CAREFULLY, SINCE I'LL BE ABSORBING 95% OF THE FINANCIAL RISK WHILE AFFORDING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT YOUR TEAM!

Give me a break.

Recruiter NO! Good business YES! If you look at my site it spells out all the trouble YTB is having. I in no way am doing anything but putting the facts out there. Like I said before, it's sad to see this happen to YTB. Like I say EVERYWHERE don't put in your info on my site if your happy with YTB! If your not happy or your tired of YTB inflated travel prices and want something better, put in your info I can help.

See the cost is something you shouldn't have to keep paying over and over trying to find a Travel Business that is profitable. Almost everyone with YTB didn't make a profit, thats very sad. Even now YTB isn't making much selling travel, thats not good.

In the beginning YTB had a ok plan, but some very bad choices were made. All RTA's need to decide for themselves if YTB is worth sticking out, or if they believe it's a scheme. I can tell you that it's not looking promising.

You see Allen I am the type of guy who leaves when it's time, and I find something worth doing. I believe that I owe it people out there to offer them something worth doing. I told a lot of people how great YTB was. I now have different thoughts. I never slammed YTB or even talked bad about YTB. All I did was put the info out there like many others.

I understand you don't like it, but I can't have the guilt of telling people YTB is ok and everything is great.

At the end of the day everyone needs to do research about YTB. Go get a stock quote for YTB and read all the notes. You will be amazed at what you will find.

Thanks To All,
Dave

YOU WILL SEE THE FACTS THERE !!
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU GREEDY PEOPLE
NOT CARING WHOSE LIVES YOU MESS UP!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron and Phyliss Bush Level 2 Directors with YTB have just resigned as of March 19th. These were some of the greatest people I have ever met and was in one way shocked to hear this news, but in another way Iv seen YTB going backwards for sometime now. I really believed in YTB but just could not make it work. Only 1 to 3 % have ever made any money in YTB. My question is where are the 10,000 millionaires that was suppose to come out of YTB? One word Iv learned about most net work companies HYPE ! They use alot of it to take alot of money from people to bad. True test of a solid net work company . Can you make good money just off the product wiout investing one dime and without recruiting if you cant stay away! Iv found such a company !

Seeking to reconnect with Chris Middleton, a very knowledgeable, great guy who had a ytb agency, lost contact info with him about a year ago. tks.

I heard Bill Hoffman and Peter Jensen are leaving YTB. Also, Mail Pound is Free, isn't it. I happen to have a Mail Pound account.

Hopefully, YTB will recover. I have several friends there and would hate to see them get burned. Time will tell.

Has anyone seen this site?
http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com/

This is NOT a YTB site for promoting YTB- this site is designed by a person who does not like YTB and allows this to go on so that people who do not understand the nature of the unscrupulous beast will fall into the trap of posting comments here and allowing others to see all the bad and not the good!! Don't you get it??? THINK!!!
The more people that go to these kind of sites and comment on them will help these people who are against YTB move these types of sites up higher in the natural rankings on Google-
STAY away from them! All you are doing is making the problem worse. Why would anyone who loved YTB post this kind of garbage on their site— THINK!
Unsubscribe from these blogs and stay off of them…
Maybe if you spent more time in your back office and with your team instead of being focused on this – you might be making more money…
FYI- Bill Hoffmann did not quit YTB.
Stop using these sites…You don't even know who this person is- TRY TO FIND THEIR YTB SITE- you won't!! Because he is not in YTB. They promote the sites of all the other YTBers – they do not promote their own because it does not exist.
T.H.I.N.K

Yah- the guys who runs notravelmlms.blogspot.com is a travel agent who hates ytb and is in cahoots with this jerk and others who wait for the demise of ytb…but ytb will survive- like JOB survived and was returned to his former state DOUBLE FOLD. YTB will be bigger better stronger more able to do all things!
I have been in YTB for just over a year and have made a lot of money – enough to pay for the private school my 2 kids go to and enough to pay for our groceries every month and the car payment…along with vacation savings…We are able to save money from my husbands paycheck…WE WORK at our business. Maybe you should too.
Anonymous above is right. We need to stay off these sites and be about our business. Who cares if leaders have left…maybe they were in it for the wrong reasons. Maybe they just used people to make money when it is easy and then look for another small company to start in and recruit to milk them too…Some of us are in it to stay. I am and so is my team. We help people and we LOVE YTB.

Yes, anyone can have a mail pound account but not one that is branded for YTB.

You have NO idea. Very sad that you have to recruit from a site that is a YTB Blog. But I have a feeling the theytb is really thevorldvulture picking at weak almost dead YTB RTA.

YTB RTAs KNOW YOUR BUSINESS GET PLUGGED IN YOU HAVE A GREAT COMPANY!

You don't have to hate YTB to see that it's not looking good. I have to give it to the YTB RTA's that are left. I couldn't bring someone in knowing the trouble that comes with YTB. Most people that do research before getting into YTB run when they see the trouble.
I only know of one RTA who has signed up someone and told them about the problems and still signed up. Every other one I have talked to have said they got them in then told them about the problems. Ouch then they are stuck or pay to get in another company.

I to have noticed how nasty YTB RTA's can get. I understand protecting your business, but not much left to protect. I feel for you all. I hope for your sake that YTB pulls through, but I just don't see it.

I'm glad to hear YTB may be entering into a settlement agreement on the California lawsuit.

Even though I'm no longer with YTB, I want to see YTB succeed because it's good for our industry. Brick and Mortar travel agents cannot stand the Travel MLM industry.

Thanks for answering the MailPound question. Whatever branding you can get to legitimize the opportunity is good.

Marcus

I am glad to see that slowly the rug under YTB is pulled. YTB is first and foremost a recruiting business whose income is based on multi-level recruiting. Travel is secondary. Sure there are some people on the top who are happy. But they would be good as used car dealers selling a wreckage as a corvette just as well.

There were a lot of YTB "TAs" at the last CLIA cruise3sixty conference which just ended yesterday. I talked to a few. It was their last gasp effort to become legit cruise consultants and/or TAs before access will be closed. It will give them the opportunity to go to real sellers of travel.

There is no doubt that you can become successful at YTB but you have to have the ability to BS real good and your greed has to supersede your moral integrity that by recruiting people and selling YTB as a seller of travels you are also lying.

One can not assume that while a person is interested in selling travel this person is a loser when he/she can not bring themselves to recruit others. As a seller of travel your first and foremost position is to sell travel and trying to make a living of that. It should not be that your main income is based on recruiting.

The State of California has not settled and will not do so. California will be the first state to be successful and it will become an avalanche for YTB. YTB will be exposed to what it really is: An MLM scam, a pyramid scheme – call it what you want it – but not a seller of travel.

I wish all those who are serious in selling travel good luck. To those who are making money at YTB: there are many other MLMs where you can find a home.

YTB With A False Report?

YTB International Inc. said it has settled the lawsuit filed against it by the California attorney general alleging it’s a “gigantic pyramid scheme.” But Attorney General Jerry Brown Jr. said no agreement has been reached.

YTB, which operates through YourTravelBiz.com, told its sales force in an internal memo Monday that it reached a "tentative" settlement agreement with Brown's office, according to a regulatory filing Tuesday.

A spokesman for Brown said no such agreement has been reached.

"There is no final agreement at this point, and the attorney general would not enter into any settlement that did not change how YTB markets and operates its business in California so that consumers are protected," said spokesman Scott Gerber.

WOW!!!! The WARNING SIGNS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER!!!!!

I do not know what YTB is doing to keep these RTA's that are left with YTB.

Hundreds of directors and RTA's have left and so can you.
As I always say, if your happy stay. If your not happy, lets talk.

I wonder what would have given them the impression that a settlement agreement was reached.

Why would one enter into a settlement agreement if they didn't do anything wrong?

YTB is looking for a settlement and that alone scares me.

I think it's very promising that they're working on a settlement with the CA AG. It's a win win for all parties. YTB is a solid company offering people a flexible and independant way to make money from home. And now, more than ever, this is important. It seems they're refinning the business and I hope things continue to move forward in a positive direction. And for naysayers that need additioanl balanced information on YTB, as this site provides, I came across this: http://thefactsaboutytb.com/

I must say that I want to see YTB succeed. Even though I am no longer a YTB member, their success will be good for the Travel MLM industry.

So none of you think it is false advertisement when the business proposal is to sell travel yet the main income is derived from "recruiting others" under the premise of selling travel.

Why doesn't YTB just simply hires people by saying "you can make thousands of dollars by recruiting others"?
Why does YTB hides its true business structure behind false advertisement?

I would like to speak with any ex-YTBer who has left the company THIS year.

Please email me. Thanks!

So, Bill Hoffman joined Visalus. Let me get this straight, a Director can be terminated just for looking at another opportunity?

For you to say that YTB is looking for a settlement is very narrow. Look at the FACTS…The state does not have the money or the time to pursue it. They said so. In fact- to go forward and try to pursue it would cost the state a tone of money and time they do not have at their disposal. Also- it would throw off all the other REAL cases that are up on schedule for trials already…Read it for yourself.
http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=45260906&msgid=566501&act=8UAH&c=312848&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.travelweekly.com%2Farticle3_ektid192580.aspx

Bill did not just look at the opportunity. He breached his contract with YTB. The ones that were terminated are crying boo-hoo because they never thought that anyone would find out what they did. They thought that people would be "loyal" to them –when they tried to recruit them the people went and tattled. They have their own agenda.

Dear Real Travel Agent…
I am with YTB. I have become a CLIA Accredited Cruise Counselor and have obtained several industry certifications through my affiliation with YTB. I sell ALOT of travel. I enjoy selling travel and I also enjoy bringing other people on board. Why is it so wrong to allow people to pursue what they love? You don't understand the business model. You see, Many people STILL are not listening.
YTB is TWO distinct and separate companies. YTB travel network sells travel. YTB Marketing finds other people who want to sell travel through our websites via referral marketing and even allows the average person to break into the travel industry and start to become a travel agent.
The training is some of the best. I have taken classes with CLIA and ones recommended by ASTA and many of the classes I have taken with YTB have far exceeded my expectations and provided me with the things I really needed.
You can do one or both parts of the business…
The travel side says – you can make money by selling travel.
The marketing side says – you can make money by recruiting others.
Nothing is hidden or masked.
You really ought to listen to what is being said.
YTB is not the reason for the decline of the TTA's business…it is bound to happen. Blame the internet.
Retail stores are facing some of the same problems…There is less and less a need for retail centers…people shop online for better deals.
I understand your frustration- being outsourced is never easy. I see it all around me…
We have just decided to capitalize on the marketshift…That is what many wealthy people do.
We love Travel and we love YTB.

You are in a small travel mlm that cannot hold a candle to YTB- promoting your own agenda.
Whatever…

YTB is rather small nowadays. With somewhere between 75-90,000 RTA's left. This numbers will continue to shrink I'm sure.

I think YTB is looking for a settlement myself. The state being broke and not able to really being able to go further has nothing to do with YTB's view on the case. YTB knows if california goes further they are done.
YTB is working hard on damage control to convince the remaining YTB RTA's that the company is still strong. I have news for YTB RTA's, YTB is not ok and the RTA's and directors leaving are showing that fact.

YTB made a big mistake by cutting Bill Hoffman loose. It just goes to show that "Coach" and his office do not have what it takes to run a business on this level. When you run a company you may not like it when someone is looking to leave, but you don't fire them for it. This alone should be a warning sign to RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!

Many of us followed early warning signs to leave YTB. Many others did the samething. YTB directors that are left are telling some amazing stories. Many YTB directors have left taking many on their teams with them. Why would they do that?
Because the actually care enough to get them out of a bad situation and move them into a better business before it's to late.
There is nothing wrong with bringing people into a business you believe in. They business may overtime change into something you shouldn't believe in. It takes a stronger leader to leave before it's to late. It takes a strong leader to call up team members and say " You know when I got into this business it was truly something to believe in. But as you are probably well aware things have changed. Since I am the one who brought you into this business I figured I should be the one to tell you whats going on. If you are interested in continuing on in a better business opportunity I have something you should take a look at."
This is the type of servant leadership that needs to be present in business. Everyone spends so much time worry about how much money they make today. I promise you if you focus on being a servant leader and leading the way for your people they will follow you.
If you think this isn't true go to bill hoffman's website put in your info and watch the video. Yep that's right I just put a plug out there for him.
It's time people start owning up to the failures of YTB and do whats right. If you like travel move to a new travel company. If you want to do something else go do it.
What I can tell you is this, If you go down with YTB you loose your credibility and this can and should be damaging. After all you where promising people YTB is ok and great and the "best" travel business around. At one time I agreed, but things have changed and YTB has not.
I enjoy offering 50-80% commissions
I enjoy offering the lowest travel prices in the industry.
I enjoy helping others be successful with a homebased travel agency.
I enjoy seeing YTB RTA's with a smile on their face after switching to my business.
In our troubled economy it's time for YTB RTA's to quit seeing failure.
Think about it.
credibility has two key components: trustworthiness and expertise
Is this something your willing to throw away?

Good post, Dave. I was fortunate to get out of YTB just before the IATA and RCCL issues came out. I'm glad to be with my current company. Even though we're not as big as YTB, myself and my team members are happy.

That's what they say Marcus….they didn't give me a Director's agreement….LOL.

Anonymous, yes they breached the contracts. But let me ask you: if your income were reduced dramatically what would you do?? Stay, be loyal and not feed your family??? They had no choice. We're in a recession right now. People who have lost jobs are looking for work. In opportunities where the money has dried up, they also need to look for income.

That's funny…
Record crowd at Red Carpet…
Rumor is this next one will be bigger…
Bill WHO?
Oh…right…the guy that would NEVER do a "pills and potions" deal…

That's funny…
Record crowd at Red Carpet…
Rumor is this next one will be bigger…
Bill WHO?
Oh…right…the guy that would NEVER do a "pills and potions" deal…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtBmtrd-wY

Not only did I let someone talk me into this scam, I gave YTB the initial $500 and after having a website and a cute little travel name, I realized I had been HAD after about 2 weeks. I called and cancelled my involvement……but being the good recuiting bunch that they are, no one told me I had to submit my 'resignation in writing to the corporate office'. So just last week when I was paying off my final credit card payment, I noticed that YourTravelBiz has charged my credit card $49.50 a month for almost 2 years……TWO YEARS. When I called the so called corporate office, I was given all of the reasons WHY the company got my money, and too bad for me. It wasn't about me, it was about recruiting and making money and what a dumb ass I was. Yep, I guess I am. To top it all off, I was told by the gal there to "have a nice day" and then hung up on me. Now isn't this a great company? They won't try to help you, listen to you, work with you, understand you…..just get your money and run.

PLEASE, PEOPLE, DO NOT TOUCH THIS COMPANY…JUST READ THE COMPLAINTS ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!

great post david and marcus i also am so glad to be out of YTB

Two weeks in the business? You must just not have had the drive to build the business is my guess.
Many people forget that it all sounds good. I once you get involved in any business the real work begins. It take time and dedication in any business to make real progress. Probably about 80% of better in YTB fit the above description, they never did anything. I understand yours was just a failure to get the site cancelled. For many they just watched and waited for a pay check.
You have to get involved and decide that you are going to make any home business work. I spend a lot of my time on the phone, and emailing people who are serious about a home based business. I always hate to see anyone who just fails for no reason at all.

I am curious Lonna Miller, have you since then moved to a new business or was that it for you? I mean nothing harmful by any of this just curious to know?

Lonna Miller ,What a bunch of MADNESS! How out of touch are you not to know that your credit card was being charged 49.95 a month not 49.50 not the right amount Lonna for TWO YEARS you do not belong in any business period. How dose someone just happen to notice after two year that their card is being charges unreal. All the lies

The German philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer said, “All truth goes through 3 stages i.e.
i) It is Ridiculed,
ii) It is Violently Opposed, and finally
iii) It is Accepted as Self-Evident.

Oh my my, it wasn't that I was sitting and waiting for a pay check. Hardly. I have several very, very sucessful business that I run myself. I own and operate a 400 unit self storage facilty that my husband built 20 years ago. I also have a carwash and convenience store and others. I've also been an entertainer for most of my life, recently performing in Paris. I'm energetic, commited and professional. I was hoping to make YTB yet another good business, BUT unfortunately, the recruiters didn't give enough information and I didn't do my homework like I've done now….the BBB gives YTB an "F" and there are hundreds and hundreds of unhappy and misled people out there…..oh, and let's not forget the California lawsuit that's in investigations now.So, no, I wasn't sitting around waiting for a fast pay check. I'm used to hard work and making a success of my time and engery…..just picked the wrong company with YTB.

AG……..you got it….I missed the big one. Never notice the credit card thing. I'll admit it…like I said, I didn't do my homework. I confess….by the way the dollar amount was a type-o…good lord. You must be one of those anal recruiters……or a German philosopher.
I've seen several of my friends stay with YTB for several years, give it their best only to finally drop out for exactly all of the reasons given by the BBB as to YTB being given an "F". I don't have to worry about their customer service, because there isn't any. Just take the money and hang up on people when they need help and answers.

But he NEVER said he didn't want to feed his family Agam.

I am no longer with YTB. I left at first signs of trouble. Was able to move myself to another travel business that had a lot more to offer.
I have spent alot of time eduacating about YTB, hoping that I can help keep people from falling for a company that was at one time great.
I wanted a business where I could at least be competitive at selling travel. I did my research and found one. Now I can offer the most competitive prices on the internet.
I couldn't handle giving the false hope that YTB is ok. I see many directors in YTB doing it. RTA's are seeing the light they just get blinded now and then by someone in the company telling them that the california lawsuit is settled when it's not.
Thats bad when you go that low. I couldn't believe it. YTB is on a wounded leg. Time will show if they can recover. I do not see how, YTB RTA's love our commissions and our wonderful travel pricing. We have the highest commission in the travel industry by the way.
It's just a shame you had to see a first hand look at YTB the way you did.
You will find a bunch of YTB facts here
http://www.yellmommatravel.com

I wasn't directing all that towards you Lonna. I just can't stop typing once I get started

Something else I think is funny. When YTB talks about it's self notice all the awards and comments are directed towards business success mostly done in 2007. Thats 2 years ago. They truly are living in the past.

The travel industry has a lot to offer. I would rather see YTB succeed than to put a bad label on all the other travel businesses out there. Sad part is I think it's to late for that. Im just glad that my new travel business can survive on the wonderful things that we do have to offer.

Thanks on the comment marcus

Lonna do you do a lot of traveling?

Fortunately, I experienced decent success with YTB and at least made more than my investment into the business. My team members, on the other hand, did not experience the same success. I wish I would have done more research prior to joining in 2007. You live and learn.

Like Dave, I enjoy the benefits and products offered by my current company.

If you were successful in YTB Why was your team not successful? How did you train them you must pass down your knowledge. What is your point?

YTB is Platinum with Apple Vacations
March 5, 2008, and the 2008 Power list with Travel Weekly

YTB was my first venture into Network Marketing. I kind of learned the industry on my own. While I was exposed to Rick Rickets and the Prewitt's, there was no support from the leaders other than the Opportunity calls and CRTA training.

I made it to the Power Team Leader level. Studies have shown that the average person in Network Marketing sponsors only 2.7 people before quitting. YTBs 6 Up program is set up for the person who can personally sponsor a lot of people like myself, while the average person struggles.

It's not the person who fails, it's program and system. Gotta have a duplicatable system for people to succeed. Paying $100 per month for 25 magazines isn't duplicatable because a lot of people don't have $100 to spend on magazines to participate in the $6000 Guarantee program.

Fortunately, the leaders in my current company are accessible and I have developed to become a good Trainer for my team and others in the company. I was a guest on my company's Opportunity call last night.

A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thoughts to his steps.—Proverbs 14:15

Hi,
Saw your post of 2/23/2009 regarding two ministries interested in more inf on YTB. If you haven't already gotten the answers your seeking, we'd be happy to talk to you about the YTB opportunity.

IF YOU'RE READY TO GET BACK TO BUILDING A SOLID TRAVEL BUSINESS WITH IATAN, ASTA, RCCL, NCL, ETC….. I'LL COVER YOUR INITIAL PRODUCT PURCHASES AND THAT OF YOUR DOWNLINE…… OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE OFFER ON MY PART. BECAUSE OF THIS, I'VE BUDGETED A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT TO COVER THIS LIMITED TIME OFFER. CONSIDER THIS CAREFULLY, SINCE I'LL BE ABSORBING 90% OF THE FINANCIAL RISK WHILE AFFORDING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT YOUR TEAM, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PUTTING YOU IN A POSITION TO BECOME A MAJOR INCOME EARNER! get back withme with ur name and phone number and we will pay for u to get into this company send me a email to marcuscreamer@gmail.com

If you're interested in Nutrional Products combined with the travel industry, go to http://www.travel4yoursuccess.com. You can also send an email to marcus@travel4yoursuccess.com for more info.

Ok now, two more YTB Directors have resigned, Steve and TV. When are the defections going to stop? Of course, they'll (YTB) will tell their remaining members they were terminated.

The defections will cease when there are only Coach's corner members, Power Team Leaders and just plain ole RTAs left….hanging on til they hear the Titanic song playing.

So Dave, what company are you with? I have been approached to join YTB and am very skeptacle, I don't like MLM, it only makes the upper mgmt rich!!! Let me know what company you have now found.

DAVE IS WITH ANOTHER BIG BAD MLM LOL He is trying to recruit people into his business. The people that are resigning need to go… this company will be around for a long time.

Please check out these website for more knowledge. Go to the book store and investigate knowledge equates power.
Direct Selling Assoc. http://www.dsa.org Lookup all the great companies listed YTB Travel is the only travel company.

You have more than likely brought a product from a MLM company.
For more info about a man who helps the industry is Tim Sales "First Class MLM" check out http://www.mlmbrilliance.com/movies.cfm
If you would like a copy of this movie I'd be happy to send it to you.

A wise man will investigate want a fool will take for granted.

Allen

MLM is good!

Yes it is Marcus but not when you Bank roll people in to the business. You win they did nothing to get there.

But if you read First Class MLM you would not be on this site. The things that you and other are doing is what bring the industry down. I don't know how you manage to grow a business with all the blogging I simple do not have time and I am in YTB Full Time.

This is my last post I need to build a honest hard working team and book some travel;

Stay Right!

AG,

I agree with you. It's not good business to pay for other people to get into the business. If people don't have anything invested, they tend to quit very easily.

I'm not much of a poster on websites. I spend most of my time booking travel and sharing the benefits of my opportunity.

Peace & Blessings.

MJ
Lose Weight, Feel Great!
http://www.travel4yoursuccess.com

Debra, you are more than welcome to go to my website and put your information in. I would be more than happy to share with you what I am doing in a none pressure business like approach.

I don't like putting my information out here as that would really just be spam.
What I have to offer is a wonderful opportunity that is worthy of being looked at by anyone who want's to successfully find a competitive edge in the travel industry.

I look forward to talking with you, and hope you understand.

AG,

I disagress with you. I find nothing wrong with blogging on this site. It's the way you do it. Blogging offers alot of information to people who seek answers. While a major part of it is junk you can still find truth and answers to questions on blogs.

I have plenty of time to blog and still take care of my customers and help those on my team who need it.
Many people come here because they want to talk with others and find truth behind YTB. If only I could count how many people I have been able to successfully help from blogs alone.

If your posts and attitude are not right then it becomes of no use. People who want a real home based travel business with travel prices worthy of selling come here. Very few home based travel businesses can do this. Thats why I come here to show them that one exists.

It pleases me to show them the best travel pricing on the internet.

While Marcus and I are with to different travel businesses. Im sure he enjoys blogging or he wouldn't do it.

Dave, you have a real smooth business pitch. The advantage only exists with TraVerus if you are interested in building a business. A person knowledgeable about the travel business can beat any price you have on your website.

I enjoy blogging. I like to share the benefits of being the business I'm in. While it's not a get rich quick deal, it does help people create an additional income stream that can help pay for things such as school tuition, vacations, gas, etc.

Another couple of directors have flown the coop. Frank and Tessa Graham. Who ever they are….

Yes, whoever they are. I didn't know them either but have heard the names. We just know that people are still leaving.

Trying to locate Chris Middleton, formerly a YTB agent?
Anyone have contact info?

What is very interesting. You can observe those whom are attempting to build their business vs. those who don't have the desire or drive as of yet to do what it takes to build a business. YTB is only a vehicle just as any form of employment. We must do the work in order to get paid. Stick and stay and earn your pay. Life is full of decisions and choices. My current occupation as a Police Sergeant will never provide what YTB has on the table for my family. That is "TAX SAVINGS DEDUCTIONS." I thank GOD for YTB and the Homebased Business Industry. Every person in America should have homebased business. How interesting you can only make money from investing. WOW!!! Invest TIME OR MONEY!!! WE ALL CAN AGREE WITH THIS POWERFUL ANALYSIS OF MINE!!

Please remember Derrick that your YTB home business must show a profit within 3 years or it will be deemed a hobby by the IRS, and nothing associated with it will be deductable.

I find it scary that your city pays it's police so poorly that you consiser YTB to be 'saving you'. I hope you don't recruit the felons you send to the slammer. Yale or Jail ya know.

Bruce, thanks for commenting. Law enforcement in certain areas view and value their protection and safety differently as far as compensation it's officials. YTB has been a blessing to my family and I thus far. I blame education as the number 1 issue that people struggle so much with their finances. Then comes decisions and choices on spending. Bruce, thanks again I have to do more research on that 3 year time period you shared with me about generating a profit with a homebased business. This website here is what all parents need to share with their children and themselves. http://www.richdad.com

For any non profit organization looking for a fun effortless fundraiser Have them view. http://www.passport2giving.com
Also have organizations view an actual fundraiser YTB demostration website. http://www.ytbtravel.com/passportdemo

your welcome to call me directly 267-228-6454

That guy is a shyster. Good luck if he's your idol. As the NYT said Rich Dad, Poor Advisor. I'd check with the IRS first.
Don't you care that 85% of YTBs income comes from recruiting while only 11% is attributed to travel commissions? How about that RTAs paid 18 million in fees to YTB and reaped only 1.8 million is commissions?

YTB is a pyramid scheme in it's purest form.

Yes, you must make a profit, if you treat it like a hobby for 3 years and make no money well you do not get to take a tax deduction. I book a lot of travel with my HBB and have made a a good part time profit in travel sells mostly booking cruises and resort packages. Yes, I have some people on my team not many about 25 we do Cruise nights and are quit good at it we book groups.

Just start getting people to book travel on your site. We have a lot of tools to work with, go out and prosper Derrick. most of the naysayers on this site are either World Ventures,Taverus Travel or No Travel MLM.

Got to go my phone is ringing It must be revenue ringing!!!

It's a Good Day at YTB(:

Thanks for sharing your wisdom and knowledge. I appreciate your advice on the naysayers. I could hundreds of people I've learned so much from in my life whom others had no FAITH IN. MLM has led me to writing my first book. I'm extremely excited about the possibilities of my first autobiography. Whatelse I find impressive about YTB which other companies refuse to acknowledge. I guess largely to negative marketing or bashing is the NON-PROFIT FUNDRAISING avenue of YTB. What an awesome program http://www.passport2giving.com
I can see why so many universities, churches, environmental,medical groups etc. are tapping into the internet as a way to generate additional revenue.
Even my Grad school has join this no brainer industry.
http://ytbtravel.com/upan
As the NFL Kansas City Chiefs
http://www.chiefstravel.com

Thanks for the advice on cruises and group travel. I just got back from promoting a Mother's Day cruise to Nassau Bahamas. As you stated, it provided a nice commission check. Travel has to be one of the most easiest and no brainer service to offer people and organizations. Travel sells itself. I'm now promoting a comedy cruise for this August and a All inclusive Monetgo Bay group getaway.

I see why the well known other travel companies generate alot of money from people they don't even know or could care less about. People go look and book and the companies get paid. Same with our YTB opportunity. Marketing-Marketing-Exposure-Exposure along with Building long term relationship. YTB an extremely simple business.

I also like how YTB allows you to get a FREE Travel Marketing website. FREE-FREE-FREE and a person still can make money by selling a website booking engine.
http://www.societytravels.net

Anon – what about the RTAs paying YTB 18 million dollars and receiving 1.8 million for the privledge? You call that a good ROI? Any RTA worth his/her salt could pay much less, get better training, earn a higher commission split, take HB tax deductions with any of a score of good host agencies. YTB earns 85% of it's income on recruiting – so take that call and sell another sucker a cookie cutter website with no personal contact info.
As to your cruise groups – do you tell them that 3/4 of the most popular lines will not do business with you? And your favorite Carnival will not take your calls? Or let you book on their website?
Recruit, recruit, recruit.

Settlement has been published. Really looking forward to YTBs take on it.

LOL….still at it Bruce?

Always Denyse!

From the AG release:

Prohibiting false and deceptive marketing;
• Requiring that YTB provide consumers with information in a clear and conspicuous manner about how difficult it is to make money by selling travel through YTB;
• Prohibiting the company from charging nearly $500 to recruit others into the scheme and requiring that new member recruitment be done using a free online demonstration;
• Limiting income from “downstream sellers” (e.g., people who have been recruited and who have become recruiters themselves);
• Eliminating perks and other incentives for joining; and
• Making it easier to quit.

YTB, if they follow the letter of the law, is effectively done in California.

The recruiting commissions are basically gone. $50 per website and no overrides unless 60% of the web owner are ONLY owners and not Sellers.
Income disclosures and Cost to Operate disclosures showing the NON-Earning potential of this SCAM makes it impossible to recruit in CA.

YTB's current business is gone in CA. YTB will have to start from scratch with a new business model in CA. I just don't see how YTB can create the "Money Game" with all these restrictions.

Franchise model is not and cannot be a money game like YTB's current model.

And a one million dollare fine for admitting to being a pyramid scheme!

Wow…the settlement is done????

Settlement? LOL.

Headline: YTB Barred From California

Partial text:
"YTB is prohibited from issuing travel credentials in California and must pay $1 million in penalties and restitution to California consumers under an agreement announced today by California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr.

Brown stated the agreement will "stop the deceptive marketing of [YTB's] largely unprofitable travel Web sites and prohibiting the company from charging consumers nearly $500 to recruit others into its endless chain scheme."

More here: http://www.traveltrade.com/news_article.htm?id=6821&p=index.htm

Yeah settlement…LMAO.

Oh my! I promised to stay out of trouble and I am. But I actually could do nowhere near as much harm as that article.

i went to my site and discovered that when i go to vacations certificates. when it goes to the next session there is a number in red on the left side that states need help. mind still has the old number. it is not showing a current number. can you help with this.

You have to call YTB Customer Service for assistance with that issue. 618-655-9520

It's A Good Day At YTB!

Glad you're happy!!

YTB ROCKS!!!!!!

Looked at your website Denyse YTB's is so much more…

Well if you're talking about the link that's here, that's not the website. Those are just travel specials. That is the exact same travel specials that YTB has access to through Mailpound.

There is no more that YTB can offer than I can offer. The website may have more, but of what?? Meats, clothes, toys, etc. Everything except travel.

Additionally, I can beat any price that YTB has on its website. I provide value to my clients. I think they appreciate saving money more than what's on the website. I don't use a website to send people to book on their own. It's merely used as an online brochure.

The bottom line is what my clients get and what I get. I also get paid more commissions.

What company are you with Bruce? I'm not with YTB personally

Denyse does add value because she has the personal touch not offered by the YTB website.

I am thinking about getting into this biz but I would like to find out how much money would I make in the begining and how much work is envolved. I have the money to invest but i have seen bad home based biz before and I don't want to take a chance on something that will only take money, no I want it to make money. So hit me with your best shot.

hey Dave I would love to get in the Travel biz, I have no experience but am willing to learn! I am glad there are out spoken people as yourself because I was all ready to jump in YTB with both feet. so let me know how, what, and how much.
Thanks
Ray

Have you been involved in a home based biz. Before?
If you would like some info email me at travel@jerseysbar.com I will get you all the info you need to decide if you want to look into it further. If you do, i will tell you what it will actually take to win. If you are willing to do what it takes, i will work with you or you can work with whoever you have already talked to. It takes serious effort but it's worth it.

E. Ray,

Depends on which way you're looking to make money on how much you will make. If you're looking to build a team and recruit others to do the same thing, you will make your money up front if you are a strong recruiter and have a duplicatable system. If you're interested in the other products and services, then you will need to build a customer base and have them utilize your products and services. Make sure you do your research and select the company that fits you best.
marcus@travel4yoursuccess.com

Hey Denise did you know that YTB RTA's have a back office with access to Delta World Vacations, VAX Vacation Access,CCRA, Destination Greece, Disney Travel Agent, Mill Run-This major air consolidator , Kensington Tours very high end,, Hotel Central-Division of International Vacations Reservations. All in are Travel Back office just some of what is offered to us to book for are clients with training.

Price please it is call negotiation yes, I can do just that I can work with the vendor.

We are so much more than just airfare…

YTB is here to stay all of you RTA's that are not clue in need to get a clue and take a good look at the gold that is in Your travel Biz,

Thank-yo AG Jerry Brown this is just what we needed YES!!

I offer a personal touch you do not know YTB, foot note look to for in the up and coming Power List…

YTB is Not going anywhere we are better than ever!!!

If YTB is not going anywhere (yeah they're going – they've gone), and we all need to look at the Power List – why is everyone so intent on remaining anonymous!!!LOL Hey Anon @4:02 if YTB is so great why are you so afraid to reveal yourself??? Keep giving them your monthly 49.95 they need it. Remember YTB rose from a crashed concept they are only using your money to again reinvent themselves. You'd be better off making contributions to criminal reform funding -at least those people are getting rehabilitated – these scoundrels just continue – they change their disguise and crop up somewhere else – like in a franchise model! Travel ain't like selling hamburgers pal!! PS Please tell me how your Aisle 19 is going!!! Another scam – cuz no one really knows do they! Hah! Good Luck!

Anonymous @ 2:47 pm

Of course I know everything that YTB offers. You say that like I DON'T offer those vendors. I offer those and more, including Royal Caribbean and Norwegian Cruise Lines – among others. I'm SO much more than airfare also.

Thank the AG for the changes. I believe you'll see they were not that advantageous at all. I believe they will be a hindrance to the success that the company has had since I started in 2005.

Additionally, the Illinois lawsuit has more teeth than even the California one did. Then wait for the next states to jump in. I think as the last person said, this is the beginning of the end of YTB and travel.

Yeah what did happen to asile19? I signed a bunch of pple up but I have no way of tracking them – who my customers are. Does anyone know how to figure this out?

anonymous @ 7:20 pm

If you're signed into Aisle 19 through YTB, you won't know who your customers or how much you're being paid. That's not set up and you're giving money to YTB.

Did you know you can sign into Escape, get your same Aisle 19 account free and keep all of the commissions?? Rather than giving YTB $4.00 of every $6.00 you make, why not make $6.00??

Another way YTB is trying to stay afloat.

http://www.dsa.org/press/misc/index.cfm?documentID=2315

I think it is funny. Aisle 19 was a quick fix for YTB. I am not sure why aisle 19 even got involved with YTB. Of course most of those type businesses will take a buck anywhere they can.

More people talking loud and saying nothing or talking loud with half truths.

Or may-be they don't know the truth or the truth will make their case for the business they pushing seem weak.

YTB is not going anywhere.

In fact we deserve congrats Carnival Pinnacle YTB has just received our 4th Pinnacle Award.

So Dave, how many cruises did YTb sell? How many were 'self' sales? Why does it take 73,000 folks to sell the same amount of cruises that 50 agents could sell? You're in the know…give us some numbers.
Thanks.

That is the business model! Yoray! you got it.

Most YTB RTA's would be booking travel for themself anyway online with one of the on-line travel agencies. Not with a traditional agency.

We refer friends,family co-workers, the butcher the baker the candle stick maker to book on our website too. We can personally call or visit the customer to follow up. They will spread the word that Linda has a on-line travel agency the next time you go to book travel check it out I did works great.

Just like the larger online agencies do but, a YTB person that understands how to sell travel on their websites tells people to book on Linda's Travel "Word of Mouth" more personal. Now with the help of Mail Pound I can send out beautiful eBrochures that can be personalized with my name and the YTB logo. I am like a on-line travel agency with a face.

That is how I personally have sold travel to others I do not recruit. People are booking online anyway way not with me.

I am not a secret agent but a Referring Travel Agent.

Millions are booking on-line anyway "self sell" as you say what do you think the highly advertise site are doing.

We also have a phone number for the customers to call is they get stuck and need help.

I did not take a cruise my self last year but had people booking cruises on my site. I also had a group cruise this year. I am learning and will get better as well as many of the YTB RTA's are doing.

We are training so watch out, with the help of CLIA, Marc Mancini,YTB's First Class Training, TA University, all the wonderful vendors that have offered training to us.

We are entering into Chapter Two and from where I am it can only get better.

TRAVEL ENOUGH FOR ALL!

Sure Linda. Sure.

anonymous @ 5:12 pm
If YTB is not going anywhere (yeah they're going – they've gone), and we all need to look at the Power List – why is everyone so intent on remaining anonymous!!!LOL Hey Anon @4:02 if YTB is so great why are you so afraid to reveal yourself???

You must be kidding Who are you? What are you afraid of? Talk about calling the kettle black.

Linda I could not have said it better.Thanks

Linda, please don't fall for the hype. YES, millions have booked travel online. And for simple itineraries, it's great. But why do you think so many people are going back to travel professionals??

They need someone who can handle that itinerary should the need arise. YES, you're given a customer service number to call if they "get stuck". But why should a client have to call anyone other than the person who booked that itinerary?? YOU should be able to handle any "getting stuck".

Also, there's nothing to watch out for when you get trained. That training is second-class at best. Even Travel Weekly said the quality of it is in question. You won't know what you don't know until you experience real travel training.

AND you can enter into YTB 2.0, but the company's focus will remain on recruiting. That's why the push to get the number of RTAs is up!

Here's a little quiz.

What sport did Lloyd Tomer coach that earned him the nickname 'Coach'?

That too easy? Okay. Which former pastor almost ruined his congregation with a fuel additive MLM scheme?

There Is so much training out there, offered to anyone in the travel field. Just what is real training?

Most of the training live at siminars or webenairs are offered to all agency most of the training that I have selected to take I and my friend are the only YTB person in the room setting along side other from all over they are learning too.

You guys are so funny. You try to make travel seem like a secret. I have been in the travel industry since 1977 in many diferant position. A yes I have a YTB Travel Website and making money on travel.

I can and do book travel for some customers but most are booking on line. I know how to market my business through direct mail, e-mail, networking, chamber of commerce I put myself out there. I am the only person in travel in my local chamber.
I am developing a market to target careerr women and how they travel.

Yes, I have E&O insurance and for those customers that need a little extra attention I am right their for them.

How did you get started in this industry? Did you come out knowing everything? Of course not.

You simply do not know what you are talking about with YTB a lot of bad press not what you think it is.

Yes we have had some people do some things that just were not right happens in every company. I welcome the improvements with this company took to long to happen.

ENOUGH TRAVEL FOR ALL!

http://www.travelweekly.com/article.aspx?id=173458

But I'm sure you guys will put another spend on it.

Oh by the way rumor has it that World Venture is next with CA

How many travel companies dose Marcus belong to http://www.retirein123.com/ (Travrus)

http://www.creamertravel.ltcmovie.com/ Rovia( World Venture)

What type of Bull are you running????

Wake up YTB people you are the BEST!!!

REAL travel training is offered by the Travel Institute.

YTB2.0

Speaking of YTB2.0, how do you get to your back office now?

https://my.ytb.com/username if that dose not work call the support line

After you go to https://my.ytb.com/ Don't forget to bookmark it that will make it easy Also to get to your travel portal go to your booking engine and click on RTA login book mark that too

hi, how did you get a refund of your 500.00 they told me I was going to be making thousands of dollars without even leaving home I have not seen any money yet .Everytime I ask for a refund they give me the wrong web site can you tell me anything that can help me Thanks Tuwania Price

Lloyd Tomer has been involved with money making opportunities before. YTB is not the first. For anyone in their right mind that thinks YTB is not in trouble, better think again. If you are still in denial about YTB, get your hands on a copy of their latest SEC report and see what the auditors had to say about the business. Better yet, what Tomer had to say about his business.

5 days to get a refund did you not read before you signed up- work your business you might make money, what have you done money dose not grow of airline wings.

John Dough give right.

Tuwania, what did you do to earn income since you've been in the business? A lot of people say they don't earn money and they do nothing with the business. It does not earn income by osmosis.

That being said, I encourage all to take a closer look just as John Dough said. You'll be surprised. Even with all of the hype going on with YTB 2.0, I really don't think it will be as successful as they hope.

WHY NOT DENYSE,

WHAT ARE YOUR REASONS FOR SAYING THEY WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. PLEASE SHARE.

Please don't shout Linda.

A quick look at the income disclosure statement for RTAs will show you why YTB will fail. The majority of RTAs and Affiliates are 'average' and in YTB speak that means failure. It took 95 months of RTA activity for a very few to earn 26,000 in commissions for 2008. The 'average' earning was 143.37 for 2008. The cost for earning 143.37? Between 799.45 and 1718.34. YTB is a horrible ROI for an RTA. This is why they will fail unless one is math challanged of course and easily swayed into buying the hype.

Have a good day.

Linda,

I think Bruce did a good job of explaining why it can't be successful. Additionally, there are many restrictions now resulting from California's settlement. Many (YTB) people "oh, it's a better company now" or "CA did us a favor", but let's face it: it was difficult enough to present the opportunity BEFORE the restrictions. YTB people are just keeping the hype going for prospects. But that's what got them into trouble.

Now the comp plan is changed which means people will not be able to earn as much as they used to. The majority of them didn't earn anything anyway. They paid more than they earned. Turning over your whole prospect list to someone to work is not like doing a 3-way call. You are not even allowed to talk about the business until you're qualified. Not to mention the array of bad press. The company is by no means finished with lawsuits. You have current restrictions from CA, and IL is right behind. THAT lawsuit is harsher than CA's was.

The biggest reason is with ALL of this promotion about YTB 2.0, where is ANY mention of selling travel. The only product that YTB has is mentioned nowhere! Another reason that got them into trouble. How you ask?? Because the company makes more in recruiting than they do in selling travel.

Do you need more reasons why I don't think they'll be successful?

What company do you represent and do you have a income disclosure statement? Yes there is a site that just talks about travel and another that talks about marketing. I constantly get a biz report on travel sometimes more than once a week with what vendors are having Webinars and vendor specials. The Travel Portal is packed with travel. It is not all about recruiting.

One could get hooked up blogging have some customers to cal back.

this is my last posted you people on here have an agenda and it is not YTB

If you're talking to me Linda about the company I represent, I represent myself.

You can say its not about recruiting until you're blue in the face, but the numbers speak for themselves. I didn't just make that up….lol. The travel portal IS filled with travel information. How many RTAs actually use it?? But again, look at your income disclosure. Also, look at the 10K where it gives the percentages of travel sold vs. recruiting dollars. Not my numbers dear.

Also, where is any information on selling travel in the new YTB 2.0??? It's about recruiting.

My only agenda is making sure people don't get screwed like so many others have, including myself. I will also say that YTB was good for me when I needed it. I'm glad I was a part of it because it allowed me to see my love for travel. Thanks YTB!

I'm sure YTB had a vision to sell more travel than they are selling. Obviously that vision will is getting harder and harder with all the bad press on the company but that doesn't mean they were ever out to screw anyone.

More than 80% of all businesses fail and more than 90% of all network marketing businesses fail. The difference is when a network marketing company fails the press gets involved, they get scrutinized for being a ponzi scheme. That doesn't mean the company didn't give it a legitimate shot. Travel has always had a hard time in this industry and if it wasn't for companies like YTB making mistakes other companies would never be able to figure it out.

World Ventures / Rovia has learned from many other network marketing companies that have done things wrong in the past and now books more than 1 million in travel every week and just recently had a 2 million dollar week, just through our travel portals and agents that that take travel courses and test to do the job.

If you have followed World Ventures at all you know our travel website is only 8 months old and has the same people who built Orbits, United Airlines and other large travel sites working for us full time. Our technology is just getting started. Rovia will book more than 100 Million in travel in 2010 and will be a billion dollar company in the next 3 years! We also have Business 2 Business that is all about sales to companies that makes up for 30% of our sales right now.

Sales of the products will sustain WV and make WV completely compliant for the long haul!

WV is the first one to really figure out how to make network marketing in the travel industry work, we will be a top player in the market very soon!

Bill
http://tiny.cc/Rgn6U

Good for you Bill.

Someone asked how many travel companies am I with?

I'm with only 1 company, TraVerus. I don't work with two companies in the same industry.

Peace & Blessings.

My YTB site debsgottravel.com has not been working. My cliets have been complaining that they can not reach my site. I have paid my monthly fee. Why does it show error when I put my travel address in ?

Deb, you've reached a personal blog with Company customer service issues. You have to reach YTB's customer service. You can do that through your back office.

It looks to me like its a domain name issue and not a YTB issue. Check that out first.

And if you want your clients to remain your clients, leave YTB because their prices are much higher than anyone else's. Your clients will never forgive you.

YTBs main number 618-655-9477 and the 00 help line on the TSO sites have been disconnected.

Deb,

That maybe a sign to move to a new travel company. lol

LOL.

WOW!!!

I just came from the CRTA Sat meeting for the 1st time. I have to say that I was very impressed with the presentations given by the director's and guest speakers. I am actually researching this now, and am giving it much thought of joining. I'm looking for a life style and not just a job. I was layed off back in Dec of 2008 and since then been on unemployment bringing in a fraction of what I'm used to. Because of that, it has lead me to go further in debt just to make it for me and my 5 kids. The last thing I want to do at this stage in my life is fail even more. I know that in order to be successful in any business, you have to work hard to get it up and running, and it takes time. That's with any business.

Thanks all,
Kane

I wonder how many YTB'ers will make a switch this week? lol

Kane,

Those CRTA meetings are designed to appeal your emotions. I was with YTB and became a Power Team Leader.

If you're looking at Travel MLMs, take a look at WorldVentures and TraVerus.

Here are a couple of links to TraVerus: http://www.travel4yoursuccess.com and http://www.step1video.com.

Just letting you know there are other options.

Peace and Blessings.

Marcus

The company is definitely impressive Kane. I agree with you. The information really gets you excited and makes you think you can become rich.

I would caution you, however, if you're laid off I don't think you want to lose any money. You will pay out more money than you will make.

The reputation of the company makes it extremely difficult to be successful in the marketing portion.

If you're going to focus on the travel portion, there are other options out here that make more sense. For instance, you will pay $50 per month for the right to a booking engine that will charge your clients more money in many instances. You will earn little commissions and won't be able to earn enough to override what you're putting out.

There are travel hosts where you do not pay any monthly fees AND will earn more commissions.

Make sure this is part of your research. Read the Income Disclosure Statement. Yes, you have to work a business hard to make it successful, but this is set up for failure.

Kane,

Make sure you check all your options. When you get into a business, you must make sure you can sell the product. I can show you exactly how to get the best travel prices on the net.

I would be cautious on travel hosts who do not require an investment. In some ways that makes me very leary. It would be like getting a McDonalds franchise for free. Immediately you would wonder whats wrong with it.

To get the most value, usually an investment is required. However I would research more than just YTB. I know many people in the business who struggled bad.

I have a lot of others stuff I could say, I can go on all day. If you would like some more info, visit my site fill out the contact form and I can chat with you and show you some things that might blow your mind.

It's worth the investigation before you spend your money.

Thanks,
Dave

If Kane wants to lose money with YTB (90% do) let him. Coach needs every foolish recruit possible to get enough $$ to pay off the million dollar lien on his house – stiffing your contractors is such a godly act.

Why would you be cautious about hosts who don't charge a fee Dave?? There are some hosts that are committed to the success of its agents.

That's an illogical comparison about a McDonald's franchise at no cost. It would only be logical if you received a McDonald's franchise at no cost and then did NOT have to pay any commissions BACK to McDonald's.

In the case of travel, even if you don't pay a fee for the host you will pay a commission split. That's how they operate.

What I would be cautious about is someone telling you they can show you how to get the best prices on the net. Especially if they are affiliated with any type of MLM, they add fees to their prices. It's like having a middle man you have to pay. Go directly to the supplier.

Trying to locate Chris Middleton a former rep/trainer of YTB who apparently got out early when first signs of trouble appeared. anyone with a phone number or email address, tks

If you haven't seen the latest Product from WV you need to see this! Luxury Dreamtrip Membership!

The vendors we will use for the Luxury DreamTrips Membership are a who’s-who of internationally known
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Also included will be the incredible, white-glove Luxury DreamTrips Concierge Service (which is like the
Concierge service accompanying the LTC, but on steroids). In addition to all the things the Rovia
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An example of one of our exclusive vacations

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Full details about the new club here.
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Get in touch with me if you want more info!

Bill Ashton

The only luxury dream trip that YTB can offer is: food stamps, medicaid, homelessness (hey another Juliet story-Hah!), or estrangement from any credible, knowledgeable, or intelligent person. YTB will give you a nightmare, not a dream.

Denyse,

I am in no way saying a free host is a bad way to go. I know some are good. Travelocity is a free host almost(you have to be doing 5k a month in travel sales and be able to prove it.)

At the same time I can find a free host that offers an advantage. In any business you want an advantage. If you are offered a travel package, you get it cheaper than any other site you can find, and the trip goes smooth. That's a true advantage.

I will say we are not always the cheapest, but we are 63% of the time. Our meet or beat promise covers the rest.

I have know doubt that you have a wonderful opportunity. It has it's perks that appeals certain people. At the same time my opportunity has the perks that attract one's who wouldn't be interested in your opportunity. If that makes sense?

My opinions sometimes are a little different that yours. But then again I guess thats what keeps things interesting.

In my mind, if it's free be cautious of it. Caution is a good thing right?

Denyse,

I am in no way saying a free host is a bad way to go. I know some are good. Travelocity is a free host almost(you have to be doing 5k a month in travel sales and be able to prove it.)

At the same time I can find a free host that offers an advantage. In any business you want an advantage. If you are offered a travel package, you get it cheaper than any other site you can find, and the trip goes smooth. That's a true advantage.

I will say we are not always the cheapest, but we are 63% of the time. Our meet or beat promise covers the rest.

I have know doubt that you have a wonderful opportunity. It has it's perks that appeals certain people. At the same time my opportunity has the perks that attract one's who wouldn't be interested in your opportunity. If that makes sense?

My opinions sometimes are a little different that yours. But then again I guess thats what keeps things interesting.

In my mind, if it's free be cautious of it. Caution is a good thing right?

Thinking that all mlm's mark up the product would not be true. Most do and you once again have to be cautious. When my customers like the quality of service and pricing we give mark up doesn't come to mind.

Denyse,

I like your way of thinking though. Why are we not working together? lol

E. Ray,

If you are serious about the travel business, and want the truth, the facts and nothing more. GO to my webpage, fill out the contact form and let's talk. I'm not a pushy person, and it's FREE to talk.

(Thought to self—-"You need to get on here more often!")

I would also say you need to decide whether you want to do MLM or you want to be a travel professional. That's important and doing the two together is not the best way to go.

And Dave, I guess we don't work together because I'm not doing MLM.

I have not had a problem with the two together. It's an excellent benefit. I balance my time between selling travel and bringing new people into the business.

YOu have to be profesional and run it like a serious business. I have to spend the required to train and help the people below me.

What it comes down to is, do you want to make money or do you want to make better money?
If I bring someone into the business, and help the learn to do the same thing I am then success is doubled.

The problem comes when you have people who are not experienced enough to do that. At the point you need to get them to your upline so they can help you.

If you do not have that kind of upline support, the I feel sorry for you. It's best to ask about these things before you sign up.

SO I guess I am saying if you are serious about travel and want to learn how to effectively build a solid income here is a way to do that.

Here come the real shocker. In my business you don't have to be invloved in the network marketing aspect of the business,WOW!

I have people on my team who do nothing but book travel. They don't have anything to do with network marketing and it's not even mentioned on the website for them.

Our company is flexable, that's something we don't hardly see in business anymore.

The point is get the facts about a company before you get involved. My advice is to not always trust the views and comments of people who tell you a certain type of business is a scam or whatever.

A lot of the time it's people who couldn't figure out who to grow the business. They probably didn't get the help they needed. In the worst case they didn't like what they where told on how to grow the business. It does take some work to accomplish.

While reviewing a business make sure you get the facts. Talk to aq few people who do not like the company. Then talk with a few who do, compare notes and see whats going on.

I try my best to not lean towards my own business, but the benefits are huge! It's tuff to not say anything with our company EXPLODING right now!

We are expanding around the world and it's something I just can't hide.

No travel MLM is 'exploding' right now. Imploding might be more accurate. 'Exploding' is part of your recruiting hype, trying to get the poor little YTBites to move their money into YOUR pocket. Travel sales are down industry wide in this economy – perhaps you don't read the trades?
Middle to lower income people – your targets – do not have the money to buy vacations. They have more important and immediate concerns. Vendors I speak with have told me that sales from WV, Traverus and YTB are 1/2 to 3/4 lower this year.
Hyping your company here must mean you've run out of family and friends to annoy.

Bruce

That's false about WV's Travel sales being lower this year. We just launched the Rovia technology in November. We started averaging 1 million a week in travel sales in March and had our 1st 2 million dollar week a couple months back.

Is our site perfect right now? No it's not, but it's getting close and gets better every month.

Since inception of Putman Travel (25 year old multi million dollar agency) last summer we have been able to mix old school travel agents into a high tech website. It is allowing us to let qualified travel agents work from home, answer phones for booking and do live chat bookings for people.

As for hyping our company on here because we have run out of family and friends to annoy is a pretty bold statement. This board is for debating and getting the facts straight.

I'm guessing you were with YTB am I right?

What most people don't realize about WV is we have a Business 2 Business sales side to our company that is taking off fast! It gives people a way to work our business as a full time job, without ever mentioning we are MLM. Not many companies can pull that off.

I'm sure that's what you're being told William but as I said it's vendors who have told me that the MLMs are down in sales. WV included.

If you would like to post WV's P&L from 2008 and as of today for 2009 and your numbers are as you say… I will stand corrected.

Does WV give prospects an income disclosure? That would be an interesting document to see as well.

It's been my experience that with MLM the worker bees know very little about how the company is doing. Unless the company is publically traded only the top will know, and they sure aren't going to tell you if things are rough. That would dry up the recruiting, and recruiting is the name of the game.

I am not now, or have ever been, with any MLM. Especially YTB, who are even slimier than any other. And really, tell me again how Dave isn't trying to recruit.

The thing is Bruce, Putman Travel was a multi million dollar travel agency, when we bought them we took all of there agents with us, they are the backbone to Rovia and I'm sure they brought quite a bit of customers with them.

Mike Putman the owner of Putman Travel is now our President of Rovia, he's been in the industry for more than 25 years. The funny thing is he came on as a consultant, saw what we were doing and became a part of it.

Look into Mr. Putman, he knows the industry as you will see.

If you haven't seen the information on Rovia you can find a lot of the info here.
http://www.rovia.com
you can see how we are advancing people through the levels if they wish, we also have a program for agents that are already qualified. We are in need of experienced people in the industry, if you know any travel agents looking? Show them the site.

What experience do you have with MLM that puts a bad taste in your mouth? I know the travel MLM's have a bad name because a lot of them did it wrong in the past.

This is my first company and love to learn from people that might know things that I don't. Or I might be able to teach you some things about business that you never knew.

Dave, I never said the two couldn't be done. I said its not the best way to go.

I consider myself a professional business person, but you truly cannot recruit and book travel. Yes, you can do both if you are booking a minute amount of travel. The travel I am booking today leaves NO time for recruiting. In order to do it right, it is very time-consuming ALONG with constant education.

Bill since this is your first venture, keep your eyes open.

Sounds like WV is doing exactly what YTB did – BOUGHT a travel agency to legitimize itself. IF the travel sales are increasing, its because of the travel agents with the agency – not the WV LTCs.

And I bet of course, WVs sales won't be separated to tell the difference. Just like YTB has made the #24 spot on Travel Weekly. MOST of the travel sales came from Vacation Central, NOT the RTAs. Now that there has been a split from VC, let's see what the numbers will look like next year.

If they are even around next year…

Thanks for the concerns Denyse, it is appreciated.

Being my first one I've been studying it a lot,

Our dreamtrip membership has been the backbone to our company for the last 3 years and it only gets better, the one thing that people need to understand is some vacations we save people a lot of money and some not so much money. It depends on the vacation, I have been driving my sales through that product. It is a marketable product that people do buy that are not even reps. I have a lot of people that just use it for vacations and have nothing but great things to say.

The LTC is a sleeping giant with what we have coming, its only about 20% done. it gets better all the time. LTC's only pay $25 a month, that gives them the website for people to book travel on. are they going to make a ton of money doing that? most no, but some will through the training. We also get a concierge service that includes roadside assistance, tax advice from accountants, they will make your dinner reservations, get you phone numbers, text you driving directions. I've even had them send myself messages to my email while I was driving so I didn't crash my car righting down a message. We will continue to add value to the concierge service as we grow

The bottom line is I would continue to pay $25 a month for that service, even if I didn't have a travel portal site. But I do so I book my flights and hotels on it and it's prices have been very competitive.

I have no doubts that YTB will be around next year because they're doing a lot of things to sustain them. I wish them well. I feel for the people who hanging on for dear life.

Denyse,

World Ventures is nothing like YTB, As I keep saying they offer a legit product with legit pricing. World Ventures has a big focus on selling product. YTB has a focus on recruiting.

You have to sell product to make any networking business firm. I give a big round of applause for World Ventures.

World Ventures will be around for years to come. I have no doubt we will pass any barrier YTB reached.

Who am I kidding it's already happening with the quality products we offer.

Good for you Dave. The people I know in WV have no interest in booking travel. They don't mind telling me, they are only interested in building a team.

MY point is if anyone is ONLY interested in selling travel, why even be with a MLM company where you have to pay them for a booking engine?? I got it – it comes back to recruiting.

Good day.

Denyse,

You did a swell job in that post. I won't lie it does help the numbers. But, also are booking engine is second to none.

It's not the cheapest all the time, but most of the time it is. Plus we offer a meet or beat deal to take care of the rest.

I have not found one other travel business that offers that.To me thats worth 19.95 a month to ONLY sell travel. It's kinda like an insurance policy to provide the best pricing and it's only $19.95 a month.

I have a some people like that. Only want to sell travel and nothing else. They where experienced with several other travel businesses. The meet or beat deal is why they are with World Ventures today.

Also every business has it's bad apples. Remember we are not all number counters. Don't get me wrong I don't complain when someone signs up, but in my eyes the product comes first. If people are not using the booking site and not booking dreamtrips whats the point.

I do have to say the dreamtrips are very popular and are the best used product at World Ventures.

Bad Day @ YTB

Peter Jensen and Chris Paraldi have left YTB for greener pastures.

Is that confirmed about Peter Jensen, Bruce? Remember he was gone before but I found out the top brass talked him into staying.

Yes, it's confirmed Denyse. I guess YTB is waiting till after the big show to let the word out. The new op – ground floor and all – was too big a draw. Peter and Chris were no longer pulling in the big bucks so -voila- bye bye. Not vitamins tho – coins this time.

Any of you Traverus/WV folks looking for a way to riches? Face it, the MLM travel biz is finished.

And BTW Dave, you can get a professional booking engine – for nothing. Not 49.95, not 29.95 not 19.95. NADA. Of course, no one in WV would probably know how to use it but…
free.

Yes I got it from several other sources too Bruce. There will be more exits after the big show.

BTW, Dave doesn't trust anything free. Oh well.

Bruce,

I will stick with World Ventures. They still offer a better value.

If i did want a free travel booking site I would get it from travelocity direct. Even they do not offer a meet or beat deal.

My only choice is World Ventures. No one else offers anything close.

Dave, just by the statements you made its apparent you know nothing of the travel industry.

You got that right Denyse! Koolaid does that to a person. But no matter. It's not the travel industry Dave is really interested in. I may have someone who would like some advice from moving from MLM to legit. Would you be available to advise her? I'm too Anti-MLm to be a help.

Bruce, What do you actually know about World Ventures to be able to say the MLM travel industry is finished? I believe you probably have a great booking engine to make money, the industry is full of great money making oppertunities.

I would love to hear your take on WV to see why you believe we are finished?

Sure Bruce, I'll talk with her. Have her call me at 973-214-1136.

Bill, you may have the misperception that Bruce feels WV is finished. We believe ALL travel MLMs are coming to an end. The people I know in WV have no desires to book travel. They only want to recruit. The travel industry won't tolerate anyone calling themselves "agents" or "consultants" who can't properly qualify and service a client. It degrades and minimizes the hard work I do to prepare myself in the industry.

Denyse,

I can't argue with you that a lot of travel MLM's have done it wrong but that really didnt answer my question, the question is not asking what you hear from other reps in WV but what you actually know about the company?

I don't think you understand our business model, to tell you the truth a lot of WV reps don't know our business model. And that is a shame!

Our Business 2 Business team is now putting in 30% of the companies sales and it has only been around for 6 months. It is not a program that anyone rep can just go out and sell. You need to be qualified and trained. The team behind this model are genious.

As cunsultants we are trained not to service clients, they are to use the site and get service from a qualified Rovia agent.

I'm pretty sure Rovia is looking for and hiring more qualified agents to answer phones, do live chats and help people with booking travel. they pay a base plus commisions if you get hired. (I'm not trying to entice you to go there, I'm just letting you know that is what we are doing)

I have several people on my team that have done the online classes, taken the tests, moved up the ranks to booking travel agent and then to travel reservation specialist and now all they are going to do is booking travel, they are not recruiting at all.

You should go to the Rovia site, do a sample booking, after that you will see the live chat window, do a live chat with an agent and let me know how it goes. The rovia site is http://www.jerseystravel.rovia.com

Bill,

They it's just the agenda to try and scare people away from World Ventures. They talk about the travel mlm being finished…..lol.

World Ventures is growing and will become a billion dollar company.

YTB on the other hand continues to shrink. YTB might be heading towards it's final days. I can assure anyone here that World Ventures is not going anywhere. World Ventures has a real product and it's loved by customers.
World Ventures doesn't have to use aisle 19 to try to keep things legal.

Further more 50% of World Ventures earnings are B2B. That is something YTB couldn't do.

I feel sorry for Bruce and Denyse. I enjoy writing with you two on here, but I can only imagine how bad YTB must have been to you. One bout with YTB and you run from all mlm's.

Remember not all mlm's are created equally. World Ventures growth has proved that.

Anyone with experience in the travel industry can take one look at World Ventures and realize what an opportunity it is.

http://www.yellmommatravel.com/worldventures

I enjoy how denyse says I know nothing about the travel industry. I guess these paycheck I am getting from the travel indusry are by accident. I guess these cruises we are booking cheaper than competitors is by accident.

Your tactics may work for someone else, but anyone who does the research will find that World Ventures prices cannot be beat.

If you find something cheaper somewhere else the meet or beat deal kicks in and you still get equal or better pricing.

But hey, Im not mad at ya. Your just don't have all the facts.

I apologize Dave. Please give me the facts.

Just because someone gets a paycheck does not mean they have a strong knowledge of something. Many people get paid for what they don't know.

Start by telling us how you book those cruises. And don't be too sure they are cheaper than anyone else. The cruise lines are still in business. It's not like WV owns its own cruise lines.

Denyse,

I have said it befor and will say it again. If someone finds a better price on another booking engine World Ventures will meet or beat the price. This is a practice used in many different industries. Now Wal-Mart is doing the same thing. (Surprising for Wal-Mart they are greedy.)

It's about time a company levels the playing field in the travel industry. World Ventures is getting that done quickly.

Sometimes in business you have to take a loss to make major gains.

So far almost everyone I have dealt with has found our price to be cheaper right of the website.

It's not rocket science just business.

It's ok, Im not mad at ya.

Dave
yellmomma@yahoo.com

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Bill and Dave,

I have all of the info I need about WV. Not interested in any more.

Don't feel sorry for me. Actually, YTB was good to me. Its not that I don't trust travel MLMs. I don't agree with that business model in the travel industry. I'm doing very well. I have close to 400 cabins booked. That doesn't even include the land vacations. So please don't feel sorry.

I don't know what your talking about, the only thing I feel sorry for is the fact that you are anonymous and afraid to reveal yourself. I'm glad YTB was good to you and your doing well with the program your with.

What do you mean I'm afraid to reveal myself???? My name is there and I even posted my phone number. What else do you want to see???

And Dave said he felt sorry for Bruce and me.

Sorry it says anonymous and your name is not in the post neither is your number. I thought it was a mysterious poster.

This is the exact post I see, maybe i'm going crazy.

Anonymous @ 8:51 pm
Bill and Dave,

I have all of the info I need about WV. Not interested in any more.

Don't feel sorry for me. Actually, YTB was good to me. Its not that I don't trust travel MLMs. I don't agree with that business model in the travel industry. I'm doing very well. I have close to 400 cabins booked. That doesn't even include the land vacations. So please don't feel sorry.

Yes, sorry Bill. I forgot the name that time. But if you scroll up I have posted my phone number as well. I have no need to hide.

World Ventures is the only travel MLM I know of that has more customers than "reps". I am having a blast a enjoying all that World Ventures has to offer. Due to this Im sorry if my comments are delayed.

Denyse I don't feel sorry for you. If you are where you want to be I'm happy for you. If you don't agree with the model of our business then you clearly can't make it in our business. It would be crazy for anyone to try something they do not agree with.

If you are one of the people who are not sure where to start, visit my website http://www.yellmommatravel.com/worldventures

What we are doing is literally taking the travel industry by storm. YTB is frantically trying to salvage what is estimated to be less than 33,000 rta's.

YTB is in a struggle and as you have seen directors are leaving in the masses. When your top leaders leave one after an other the signs to move on are clear.

We have successfully trained many people how to become successful with our business model. Our model is one of the best in the mlm industry.

Insurance agents and real estate agents all over the country are taking advantage of our b2b program. With this kind of model we are able to bring our dreamtrip packages to 1,000's who want to utilize our dreamtrip program.

If you want to make it in the travel industry but have previously have not had success here is your chance.
If you attach yourself to someone or a team that has found success your chances improve dramatically.

To your success,
Dave
http://www.yellmommatravel.com

Don't feel sorry for me either. I was never with YTB. I've been a corporate agent for 20 years and am doing very well thank you. Travel MLM people are hobbyists at best. The constant need to recruit dilutes the professionalism down to nothing. I actually feel sorry for you, as well as YTB and Traverus and all the others.

Bruce your so mad, I love it. I'm glad your doing great with your business, I wish everyone well with whatever they do.

The funny thing is I went into a business a couple weeks ago and made 23 sales of our dreamtrip membership to the management and some of the employees. I didn't recruit anyone, as a matter of fact the company didn't even know we were a network marketing company. They all loved the fact that we can offer them vacations at prices they never knew existed.

World Ventures just sent 950 people on a trip to Cabo to the Riu. We recieved a call from the mayor of Cabo thanking us for the business saying that was one of the largest groups they have ever seen.

Did I mention the World Ventures is officially the #1 network marketing company in actual travel sales.

I'm not on here to argue with ya Bruce, I'm on here to tell the facts.

The thing is World Ventures is a b2b company as well as a network marketing company. You can very well be a "hobbyists" in any business if you choose so.
The "need" to recruit doesn't exist. You have an option to build a wonderful business that way, but it's a choice.

Get your facts straight before you comment on something you clearly have no understanding of.

Not sure who that was directed to, but I always say since the "need" to recruit doesn't exist and is not mandatory – why is there a need to be with a company who offers those activities?? Why pay for something you won't use??

You do not have to pay for that is you do not want to "recruit". All you would pay for is a stellar booking site. Which in fact "Real Travel Agents" are involved in as well.
Even if you are "recruiting" if you have four people working the travel business you do not pay anyways.

At the end of the day, earning potentials for someone building a successful team is higher than that of any honest "real travel agent" I have talked with.

I have not found a "real travel agent" yet that has proven to show any travel booking of real value. I keep asking 100's with no serious answers.

"Did I mention the World Ventures is officially the #1 network marketing company in actual travel sales."

Says who? What are WV's travel sales for 2008?

And Dave – what does this mean?

"I have not found a "real travel agent" yet that has proven to show any travel booking of real value. I keep asking 100's with no serious answers."

Bruce,

Mike Azcue our co founder announced that we were the #1 network marketing company in actual travel sales. We will do press releases when the year is over.

I'm not sure what 2008 travel sales were, our Rovia booking engine didn't even come out until November of 2008 so most of our travel sales were of Dreamtrip Vacations.

Here is a link to a presentation talking about the B2B program. I'm not thinking either of you are going to join up, I just would like it if you had an actuall understanding about what we do. We are a lot more than a company selling people a website to book travel. The average person won't make a ton of money doing that.

http://www.mywvdt.com/presentation

Here is a link to our dreamtrips we offer right now, we save people a ton of money on some and a little on others. But how many agencies are puting together trips like the Super Bowl, Kentucky Derby, The Masters, Indy 500 and more as you will see.

http://billashton.worldventuresdreamtrips.com/dtbanners.php?sortby=&category=&view=YWxs

Is YTB present in India ?

YTB is not present in India.

The problem with companies saying who's #1 is there are no travel sales to justify that statement. So, are you #1 in recruiting??

It means everyone is full of talk, everyone has a wonderful booking engine. When I ask to see them no one has anything to offer.

So called "Real Travel Agents" are not standing behind current booking engines.

#1 in recruiting, lol. Truth be told probably so, but that doesn't change the fact that World Ventures has more customers than reps.

Thanks for clarifying that Dave. I don't have a booking engine on my website, nor do I want one. My customers want personal attention and do not want to waste business time booking on their own.

I would like to know how you work exchanges, schedule changes and mis connects, unaccompanied minors, pets in cabin, customers being walked, double charges, travel insurance (in many if not most states you personally will need a license), immigration docs and regulations and other day to day business issues we come accross.

Having more customers than reps makes you #1 in sales? What was WVs total sales for 2008? What percentage profit did you make company wide?

Bruce,

Mike Azcue our co-founder was the one who announced that we were officially the #1 network marketing company in travel sales. As far as travel sales for 2008 I'm not sure what they were, our booking engine was launched in November of 2008 so most of our travel sales in 2008 was from sales of dreamtrips.

I agree with you that a lot of people need special attention when it comes to booking and if problems occur, when people book on our site they have excess to actual trained agents like yourself to handle the problems. I don't handle those issues because I'm not trained to do so.

Our business model is quite different than most that you have seen in network marketing.

Click the link below so you can listen to Mike Putman explain how we are going to put more travel agents in the market and grow in the industry. As you know that is good for the travel industry considering most agents are losing jobs because of the internet.

Click the play button on the site to listen.
http://billashton.com/rovia

I put that on my website so you can clear up any questions you might have. I'm not looking for any of you to get on board with me, I'm just looking for others in the industry to respect what it is we are doing.

I would love to hear your feedback after listening.

This site is going wacky, it didnt send my messages yesterday and now all of the sudden did.

So because I'm with World Ventures means I can't have a state license? Some people do like to book on a website. I cater to both. You are still booking through a booking engine somewhere of some sort.

Once again you assume that all people with World Ventures are people just looking to recruit numbers.